Cheryl & Steve said (January 31, 2012):

We used to think the JFK assassination was the watershed for America. Then there are people who see
the 1913 Federal Reserve Act as the tipping point. But no, it was indeed The Civil War, and the potential
U.S. financial revolution which preceded it. Here's a historic anthem which articulates those tragic days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzIQdFlUDtI

Dick said (January 31, 2012):

I disagree with a few points in this article (chiefly your
endorsement of Andrew Jackson, who was the puppet of British agent Aaron Burr and British arch-propagandist Jeremy Bentham). But on the whole, it's a fair enough comparison.

Lyndon LaRouche has written ad nauseum about the historical
conflict between trading empires like the British and continental
nation-states like Russia, Germany and America. It's not just about the money power, but internal self-sufficiency in resources, infrastructure and industry, and public policy written in the public interest.

I don't think it's fair to say Gaddafi was ever exactly a tool of
the west. Read his "Green book". Gaddafi was one of a number of
prominent "pan-African" nationalists – Haile Sellasie, Gamal Abdel
Nasser, Robert Mugabe (if you're looking for a case study). A more fair example of the "puppet off the string" would be Idi Amin, who was trained in Britain and Israel, and was the west's new best pal until he started kicking Israelis out of Uganda and nationalizing banks and oil companies, at which point he was "discovered" to be a bloodthirsty cannibal.

Even a relatively small country like Libya can become intolerable
to an empire based on international trade, speculation and imperial management. Any nationalist impulse – like Gaddafi's currency plans or infrastructure projects, collaboration with Russia and China, and general view toward unifying the 3rd-world resource farm called Africa – will get you in serious trouble.

As for your two combatants, Stephen has obviously studied actual history rather than the lies and innuendo of Alan Stang.

William said (January 31, 2012):

Stephen, you obviously never bothered to study real history, to learn how not to make ad hominem attacks on someone you disagree with. You are the fool and purveyor of evil for buying the disinformation about Lincoln, who was a tool of the Illuminati.

Lincoln wanted the progressive income tax - a key point in the communist program. Lincoln jailed anyone who dared to oppose his unconstitutional use of executive power, including members of congress. Lincoln closed news papers who dared to tell the truth. Lincoln rewarded and applauded his communist generals who raped, robbed, and pillaged their way across the South. Lincoln was solely responsible for the "Civil War". The South did not fight the North, the United States invaded the Confederate States.

Grow up, Stephen, and get some real facts.

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Stephen said (January 31, 2012):

I don't know where William's info [below] comes from, obviously some disinfo org to prevent a miracle recovery as Lincoln pulled off during the American Civil war. The info William is citing is pure evil and a product of historical revisionism.

Czar Alexander II (not III) and Lincoln were allies. Russia and England just finished up the Crimean war and contrary to English speaking websites, England took a beating and had no stomach for another war with Russia. Alexander II threatened to fire a cannon ball directly at Queen Victoria should they send troops to aid the Confederacy.

Lincoln and Marx did indeed correspond, the debate between Lincoln and Marx was published in the newspapers of the time. Lincoln trashed Marx for the fool that he was and William is a fool if he thinks they were buddies.

Marx was under the employment of Lord Palmerston, Queen Victoria's pit bull. Marx's mission was to form a counterfeit economic model that was doomed to fail to foist upon the USA. Palmerston thought so well of Marx that he housed him in his own Hall and paid Marx so poorly that 2 of Marx's children starved to death during his stay.

After the war Lincoln and the Czar had joint plans to build an armada of Iron Clad ships, burn London to the ground and hang every last member of anything royal. British intelligence learned of this and through their Canadian goons organized the assassination plot.

I don't mind being snotty here, but William you are a FOOL and a dupe at best; and at worst an Illuminati shill. This kind of disinfo really pisses me off.

William said (January 30, 2012):

It has always been a mystery to me about the real reason Alexander III sent his navy to New York City. New York in 1863 was rebelling in favor of the Confederacy, after Lincoln's draft went into effect, and he issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

Whoever advised Emperor Alexander III was ill advised in many ways. Lincoln was a friend and correspondent of Karl Marx. His yankee army was largely composed of foreign nationals invited to invade and pillage the South in return for American citizenship – which had not existed before Lincoln. All Americans were citizens of their States prior to Lincoln's assault on the constitution.

Likewise his armies were led by Marxists who had been run out of Europe after their failed 1848 Revolution. There is a lot that has been whitewashed by the Yankees after their victory. Read the below, and also Arnold Stang's “REPUBLICAN PARTY, RED FROM THE START” http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan30.htm