Anon said (November 24, 2012):

Independence drives progressives mad. Social engineering needs government to jack-hammer culture. They want your kids. The prospect of "troglodytes gone wild" or true "cultural diversity" with teeth drives them bonkers.

Tarpley went loony on secession. He knows 9/11 was oligarchs gone wild, yet claims they want small govs (!), so we should want large ones (the better to nuke us?). Ideology trumps logic. Keep the trogs in our cages, or they might form a culture!

Think British Empire, NAU, UN, Round Tables, NATO, GATT, Trilats, WCC, Zionism, phony Cold War on Terror shams. Tarpley's petty rosters of divide-and-conquer tactics aren't strategy. Synthesis is always Supersize-me Government and extra yellowcake with that. We're there: EUSSR, USSA, World War III.

Lust for empire is as old as time. So are slave revolts and underground railroads. Articles on real American history:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=260957

Thank you, progressives, for all the progress. May I please live in a failed state? Between nuked skyscrapers, Wars on Islam, airport scanners and kiddie-crotch gropers, chemtrails, and Great Depression II, all the success is killing me. I want CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN.

Jim said (November 24, 2012):

Secession is just another distraction. The states cannot secede from the UNITED STATES, Inc. It's a corporation.

The corporation is headquartered in Washington D.C. and has pledged the land and the wages/income of people who live in all of the several states as security for the loans they have received from the international bankers. The UNITED STATES corporation has been doing it for over a 100 years.

Wake up Americans. It is one thing for us Americans to be ignorant, but it's quite another for us to be stupid. Stupid is what stupid does.

Tony said (November 24, 2012):

Henry no STATE should ever have it's own money. If it breaks all connections with other states and establishes itself as a NATION, then - and only then - should it have its own money. If it joins in a new confederation with other states, the group should establish as a single NATION and have one money among themselves.

In other words, money should always be a national entity in order for commerce and life to flow best. "Local" currencies can be useful as an emergency stopgap but can hardly work well economically on a permanent basis; the human element alone being a detriment to its permanent success.

A major reason for people to break from their nation and establish a new one most always is an unfair monetary system so setting up a proper one in a new nation should be a priority. That statement raises the question as to why the U.S., on its establishment, immediately reverted to the British Rothschild "bank credit" debt system it had just fought a war to be shed of. Even with the same bankers (plus some few new ones from the colonies) as owners. The very bankers who caused that war won it, not the people of the new nation.

Izzy said (November 23, 2012):

The Civil War seems like a long time ago, and it was, but even current events suggest such entrapment strategies are still in use. Up here in Northern California's "Emerald Triangle", local government has for several years been encouraging commercial pot growers to enroll in the county's Zip Tie Program, promising that for a hefty inspection fee they will be able to operate without fear of prosecution.

Now the feds have stepped back in (counter to the Anointed One's stated hands-off policy), and have subpoenaed records, as well as charged the sheriff and supervisors as parties to some sort of malfeasance. No matter which side of the question you come down on, this has been a set-up. Who knows where it will go, but stupid is as stupid does.

John said (November 23, 2012):

Secession is an "ass-backwards" movement. It was pointed out to me by a good friend that we simply need to remember one key issue: all of the states are on the same monetary system. Look at the European Union, for example. They are "separate" countries but all are on the same currency. And like the EU, the US is controlled by the same entity(ies).

Until states start printing their own currency, secession cannot be entertained.