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Abraham and his God: Partners in Crime?

May 28, 2014

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(left. Abe haggles with God)


"If the patriarch did not provoke any displeasure in own God with a regular knocking down of the price from 50 to 10, but indeed succeeded with Him, this proves the views which the Jewish God entertains with regard to such tendencies."





(Editor's Note: Eugen Duhring, a 19th century German philosopher was a critic of Jewish power and influence in German society. I present this short excerpt to prompt discussion of Judaism which may be a liability for Jews and Christians alike.)





by Eugen Duhring
from "On the Jews" (1881) Ed. Alexander Jacob pp. 92-94


How trading and marketing belongs to the original characteristics of the Jews is demonstrated by a story in the 18th chapter of the first book of Moses, which indeed would make a comic impression if, for the rest, the Jewish character were not such a sad fact of humanity. That story is indeed a contract which Abraham himself concludes with the Lord God.

The latter wishes to punish and destroy the city of Sodom on account of its heinous sinfulness. Abraham makes objections to Him and thinks that the Lord would be a better judge if he came across 50 just people in the city for whose sake He would preserve the city, so that innocent people would not have to suffer.

After Abraham in the interest of these supposed 50 just people, has the approval of the Lord, he comes forth with a smaller offer. He has miscalculated; the Lord would perhaps find only 45 just people.

Correctly the Lord too lets the five be taken off but Abraham has now one finger, and now follow the others, and finally the entire hand is claimed. The next price of preservation is 40 just people, therefore again five less. Then the trade goes down in levels from 30 to 20 to ten and the Lord settles with Abraham after He has agreed with him that the probable finding of ten just people should suffice to preserve the city.

If the patriarch did not provoke any displeasure in his own God with with a regular knocking down of the price from 50 to 10, but indeed succeeded with Him, this proves the views which the Jewish God entertains with regard to such tendencies.

"GOD" PROVES TO BE A KNAVE

The tendencies are therefore self-explanatory; they are indeed sanctified. The dealing from price to price is still something relatively innocent; it proves only the haggling mentality. But the Jews have in their original documents sanctified quite other things, namely even, among others, refined stealing.

Or what else is it when, before the Exodus from Egypt, the Jewish woman borrows from her neighbours gold and silver vessels, as well as clothes, in order to purloin them later?

exodus12.jpgThis borrowing and purloining is, as one can read in the 3rd, 11th and 12th chapter of the second book of Moses, an express prescription of the Lord God which was delivered to the Jews by Moses. They should not move empty-handed, and at the same time, the way is also shown to them by their God how they should succeed in possessing the precious objects of the Egyptians in order to run away with the objects borrowed with deception.

This acquisition of the gold, silver and clothes of the Egyptians is typical; it betrays the Jewish mentality in its most naive form. One will never forget it throughout world history: for, one is constantly reminded anew of this sanctified art of acquisition.

The chosen and sanctified self-interest which forms the central theme in everything which emerges from the Jews has here its original form. It is the key to Jewish life, insofar as morality, and the accompanying religious way of observation come into question.

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Eugen Karl Dühring (1833-1921) was a German philosopher and economist, a socialist who was a strong critic of Marxism.  After a legal education he practised at Berlin as a lawyer until 1859. A weakness of the eyes, ending in total blindness, occasioned his taking up philosophy. In 1864 he became docent of the University of Berlin, but, in consequence of a quarrel with the professoriate, was deprived of his licence to teach in 1874.
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Note from Dan:

The "18th chapter of the first book of Moses" that Duhring referred to is simply the 18th chapter of GENESIS.  
The translator of Duhring's German didn't translate that very well.   Probably a literal translation is "Book of Moses" in German, though there is no "Book of Moses" per se. 
It means the five books attributed to Moses.
The Christian names for the books are derived from the Greek Septuagint and reflect the essential theme of each book:
  1. Genesis: "origin"
  2. Exodus: Exodos, "going out"
  3. Leviticus: Leuitikos, "relating to the Levites"
  4. Numbers: Arithmoi, contains a record of the numbering of the Israelites in the wilderness of Sinai and later on the plain of Moab.
  5. Deuteronomy: Deuteronomion, "second law", refers to the fifth book's recapitulation of the commandments reviewed by Moses before his death.

First Comment from Marcos:


The Bible is as much a book of historical facts as it is a book on moral guides of conduct. Confusing the two is a frequent error from casual readers. With the exception of (sinless) Jesus and perhaps Daniel and John the Baptist, every other human depicted in the Book is shown with his sins, warts and all. Abraham sinned. This is one of the characteristics that make the Bible even more credible; it doesn't fear handling the truth about humankind.  The mature reader must understand, for example, that we are supposed to admire Peter in his willingness to die for Christ, and not for his moment of cowardice in denying the Lord three times. If any person handpicks a special situation in order to justify his own sin, he is an hypocrite.

The whole Old Testament environment was indeed barbaric, since the Holy Spirit was not restraining evil at the time, but it is the same God as in the New. The barbarism only reinforces the mess that sin created and the need of redemption. Gnostics preach the contrary. I suggest for your readers the book "Christianity is Jewish", by Edith Schaeffer, Francis Schaeffer's wife.




Scruples - the game of moral dillemas

Comments for "Abraham and his God: Partners in Crime? "

Curtis said (May 30, 2014):

Great article! This article points out how the Jews use the Biblical stories of Abraham haggling with God in Genesis: and the “borrowing” of gold and other items by the Hebrews on the way out of Egypt (Exodus), as proof of being “the chosen” of God, superior and so on. It is used as the foundation and justification for the Jewish “acquisition” of possessions by any means especially from the goy.

The irony of this event (of the borrowing of gold and silver and such from the Egyptians) carries this caveat. A short time later the Israelites arrived at Mt. Sinai and Moses went up to talk to God. He was gone for 40 days and the people became restless. In Moses absence the people demanded that Aaron make them a golden calf so they could worship it. The idol was made from the very gold they “borrowed” from the Egyptians! When Moses returned he ordered the calf burnt in the fire, ground it into powder, threw it in the water and made the people drink! Many were killed because of this grave error!

By the time of Christ this thinking was solidly ingrained into the Jewish psyche. By then—possessions—had developed into the measure of a man’s approval before God. The more one had the more right and favor one had with God. The need for “things” had so warped the Jewish thinking that Jesus spent a great deal of time discrediting and demystifying this erroneous belief. Unfortunately he was unsuccessful yet his teaching stands. The Apostle Paul even warned that the love of money is the root of all evil and many people have been destroyed because of this error.

Historically from that time until today the Jews continue to follow the same error by breaking the commandment of thou shalt not covet! Sadly they do not see that if they hadn’t “acquired” the gold from the Egyptians there would have been no golden calf, no idol, no deaths, no displeasure from God, Moses and so on. Riches are most often a curse. To give equal admonition many Christians suffer from the same folly; covetousness is not exclusively a Jewish sin.


Malak said (May 30, 2014):

Abraham was from Ur in ancient Mesopotamia/Chaldea, or modern-day Southern Iraq. He is the common Semitic patriarch of the Arabs, Jews, and Ethiopians (the 2nd largest group of Semites), where the Quranic designation for Jews is "Bani Israel" (Children of Israel), Israel/Jacob being the grandson of Abraham through Isaac. It is inaccurate to classify Abraham as a Jew, whose collective identity begins with Isaac and his progeny. Of course, one might argue that this technical detail is immaterial because Jews (and other Semites) may have inherited characteristics of the archetypal Abraham, whether ethnic, religious, or cultural.

Regarding Abraham's bargaining with God, I don't think it tarnishes either figure. As 'JA' notes, this seems to me God's poetic demonstration of his mercy, which is amplified with each lower count to which they mutually agree. It doesn't imply that God is fickle, or that Abraham was a self-interested haggler. On the contrary, through this process God also demonstrates to Abraham - incrementally - the depths to which faith and morality had sunk in that unfortunate town, ultimately challenging him to find even a handful of righteous folk!

This process of prophetic negotiation where God reveals his bountiful mercy, is recounted in the Islamic tradition* of Muhammad's (pbuh) mystical ascent (mi'raj) with Gabriel across the seven planes of heaven to God. On different planes, he meets various important prophets like Enoch, Aaron, Abraham and Moses. At the apex of his journey, God prescribes 50 daily prayers for Muhammad's nation, and on his way down, Moses asks him about what transpired. When Muhammad tells him about the prayers, Moses advises him to return to God and plead for a lighter burden because his own nation, the Jews, could not keep up with their own prescribed prayers. After consulting with Gabriel, who gives him the nod, Muhammad returns to God and negotiates the number down to 40. This happens several times, each time Moses advising Muhammad who again returns upstairs after consulting Gabriel. Finally, when the number is chiseled down to 5, Moses coaches him again to negotiate, upon which Muhammad says that he is too shy to return too many times to his Lord. I'm not sure it is significant that the adviser in this story was the head of the Jewish nation, but Duhring might think so.

* The traditions/Hadith are the collected sayings and deeds of the Prophet, and are separate from and less authoritative than the Quran.


Chetsy said (May 29, 2014):

Well, I must say, the comments have resurrected this post by Duhring. I was totally turned off by his ham-fisted understanding of the interchange between Abraham and God and wondered why it was even featured.

I am glad I stuck with reading through all the comments. They just got better and better. I agree with the Steve S and many others and I got many insights.

Your readers are most interesting.


Peter C said (May 29, 2014):

For a long time, I have had a persistent disconnect with all bibles and most Christian ministers. This discourse on Abraham merely opens up a few more “windows” that can’t be closed because – where is the truth?

How do we know that it is the truth? The only proof we have is in the archeological digs and discoveries. Even there, if a transcript is found,
who was the useful idiot that imposed political correctness?

And finally, those translations of several languages. How accurate is that?

How much doubt was involved? Were there any words with more than one definition? And was that the right definition? Attitudes. Beliefs.
Assumptions when in doubt. I could go on forever.


Christopher said (May 29, 2014):

Abraham was the ancestor of Armenians, Persians, Arabs, Jews, etc.
ABRAHAM WAS NOT A JEW. We have all been bombarded with Jewish arrogance about The Almighty being a respecter of persons, and Jews
are the "chosen people" so they can get away with murder.

ie - On Sid Roth's controlled opposition TV show "It's Supernatural", I've foamed at the mouth listening to him brainwash the audience that
Abraham was a Jew and that the Palestinians are faking their abuses.

NEITHER CHRIST NOR KING DAVID SPOKE HEBREW, as the propagandists will lead you to believe, they both spoke (Syro-Aramaic) SYRIAC. During
the time of Alexander, the Persians had the most of the world speaking Aramaic, yet these bible-thumpers can't stop spreading their
disinformation about the Bible being originally in Hebrew and Greek.

Constantine had all the original sacred Aramaic texts burned, under pain of death, and what didn't offend him, translated into Latin.

The ONE Almighty, the friend of Abraham, is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Clearly this author Eugen Duhring is a scorner, attempting to get us to belittle the prophets with him and equating the Creator of the Universe as no better than the false gods the prophets spoke out against.

In the book of Amos, the Almighty is clearly no respecter of persons, as judgments are specifically passed to ALL nations for their specific crimes.

That Jewish arrogance goes back to even Peter, who was perplexed by a vision about non Kosher animals: ACTS 10:9-29. (Many "supposed"
Christians have taken this vision out of context as an excuse to stuff their faces with pork). Peter later understands the non kosher animals
were people and to no longer think of anyone as unclean, as he meets a righteous Roman officer.

ACTS (NLT) 10:28 Peter told them, “You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with
you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean.


Gene said (May 29, 2014):

In John 8:30-44, Jesus told the Jews that believed on him that they did the lusts of their Father, Satan, who was a liar and a murder from the beginning. Assuming that Jesus told the truth, I see no justification in giving credence to anything written by the Jews in the Torah especially concerning their relationship with God.

Anyone wanting to know spiritual truth can simply go to the Gospels (God Speak) of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Based on my personal experience of controlling the physical world, healing some people, and having two close friends who raised people from the dead with highly qualified medical witnesses, I know what Jesus taught to be the spiritual truth beyond doubt. Looking for spiritual truth anywhere else is a futile waste of time prone to result in confusion. I know because it took me 66-years to get over the brainwashing from the rest of the “scriptures.”


Tyron said (May 29, 2014):

Dan is absolutely correct. The Masoretic text is a Jewish forgery of the authentic OT- the Greek Septuagint. Not only did these impostors leave out books, references to the messiah and so forth, they wrote it a FULL 900 years after Christ came.

In order to understand scriptures correctly one must go back to the old Greek in both the OT and NT. Then one must bypass the early Councils decrees and/or at least understand how they were implemented. The canons of the NT and OT are to be used as a guide to filter out all non scriptural frauds. It would be wise for people to consider the books of Adam and Eve, the writings of the Patriarchs, Jasher, Barnabas, Clement, II Esdra, Maccabees, Apocrypha and Enoch.

Readings and understanding these scriptural writings tells a completely different narrative than what most think scriptures is about.
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DAN COMMENTS

If you follow the trail of the oldest fragments of scriptures we have, plus the documentation of ancient historians, it turns out that the Old Testament books in Hebrew were translated from the canon in Koine Greek from 2nd Century BC Alexandria called the Septuagint.

The Masoretic text gets it's name from the sect of Jewish scribes wrote the Hebrew version during the Middle Ages. The key figure is Ben Asher (10th century AD) who finalized the writing of Hebrew in readable form (with vowels). Ben Asher was based in Tiberius, Galilee, and completed the work in the 900's.

I don't think I'd call it a "forgery", though they did add and subtract material to suit the rabbinical version of Judaism. But show me a religion who didn't edit their material to suit the narrative they decided upon in councils.

"Readings and understanding these scriptural writings tells a completely different narrative than what most think scriptures is about."

That's very true. But when narratives are drilled into people's minds in childhood, it's a real phenomenon that they can't see past the conditioned perception of it. Without help, anyway.

Dan


James Perloff said (May 29, 2014):

Jesus rejected the traditions of the Pharisees, which have been correlated with the Talmud. However, Jesus did not reject the Torah, or Old Testament. He did not denounce the Patriarchs of Israel, and he referred to every one of the first 10 books of Genesis in his remarks recorded in the New Testament.

The political state of Israel today is a Rothschild empire, a counterfeit of Biblical Israel, just as the Antichrist will be a counterfeit Christ. However, it appears that the wickedness of modern Zionism has caused some people to overreact and denounce the entire Old Testament (guilt by association). I think the distinction Jesus established – revering Scripture while condemning Pharisaic/Talmudic traditions – is a model we can reliably follow.



JA said (May 28, 2014):

n this article Eugene Duhring compares the bargaining of Abraham to bargaining for financial profit. It’s not the same though, because here some kind of merciful bargaining is involved, which might have pleased God, so God agreed.

Eugene Duhring also indirectly blames God for choosing the Jewish race as His chosen people. God most likely has a cunning plan with the Jewish nation. In the Old Testament, books Exodus en Leviticus it is mentioned several times that God describes His people as a very tough and obstinate people; but He will bring them on their knees. Surely God knew that the Jewish race has a natural tendency to subdue other peoples and try to rule the world. I bet that is why God gave this particular race the Ten Commandments and other various ethical codes, so that other nations may benefit.

If the Jews adhere to the God-given instructions they will be rewarded, if not they shall be punished, as had happened several times according to the Old Testament.

It is not the Jewish character per se that is a sad fact of humanity; it is the mundane, purely materialistic perception,and therefore the falling away from divine instructions that caused this sad fact of humanity. This purely materialistic perception has many forms, such as teachings based on Kabala, Zionism and atheism.


Seth said (May 28, 2014):

As we all know there are two versions to every event. Since the Jews wrote the Torah they will portray themselves in an advantageous
position. Here is the non-Jewish version of the Exodus:

"HECATAEUS. First c. Alexandrian. With APION and others, he was one of the activists in the ongoing anti-Jewish controversies in Egypt. Like
MANETHO, he disputed the Book of Exodus story that the Jews had escaped 'slavery' in Egypt; contending that they had been forcibly
expelled as political criminals who had abused their usurped power."
--Anti-Zion; W. Grimstad

This account seems more probable since we have verifiable evidence that Jews have been expelled from many nations throughout history for
immoral or corrupt behavior.


JG said (May 28, 2014):

God hears the prayers of the righteous such as he did for Abraham.

This essay here sadly attempts to suggest that the God of the Old Testament was under the Jew's sphere influence and not his own.This is NOT true at all.

The Old Testament gives testimony of both the obedient and repenting Jew as well as the disobedient and non repenting Jew.

I recommend the Book of Numbers for openers to read for all those (Jew and Gentile) who think and believe that God does not render judgement on the disobedient Jews because he's their "chosen people" who are beyond all reproach. This was the same perverted theology that led to the rejection of the Prophets that God sent to them to warn of their impending doom had they not changed their ways.

Also, get a copy of the Sword Study Bible Red Letter Edition to know when God is speaking and when he isn't.

The Old Testament is CHRIST CONCEALED and the New Testament is CHRIST REVEALED.

We can't continue to live on the other side of the cross. Jesus Christ has already fulfilled the law of the Old Testament for us with his sacrifice at Calvary Cross. All other beliefs are futile in comparison.



Wade said (May 28, 2014):

As you know I am a Christian. I am not Jewish by religion, nor by blood line.

This article exemplifies the fact that scripture (old or new testament) can not be approached
and comprehended by human intellect. The author misunderstands the events he attempts to
explain. Abraham knew that his nephew Lot was living in Sodom and was not informed that
Lot and his family would be rescued before the city was destroyed. Naturally Abraham assumed that Lot and his family would all perish and therefore we see the negotiation between Abraham and God.

In Egypt...the Hebrews were enslaved for approximately 400 years and had lots of "back pay" coming to them as they left Egypt. Also this event had types and shadows of things to come embedded in the story...some of which were spiritual and not physical. Just as the spreading of blood on the door posts and the eating of the sacrificial lamb on the night of the first passover in Goshen was a type and a shadow of the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.

The author takes both of these events out of context. It would be more useful, when trying to understand the behavior of many of the Jewish people over the years, to refer back to the way the Jews that were in power during the time when Christ walked this earth behaved.

God's thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways. God's ways and thoughts are as
separated from our ways and thoughts as the heavens are from the earth. Yet the ways, and thoughts of God are not hidden from believers, but rather hidden FOR believers. As this article illustrates, God's ways and thoughts are hidden from all self confident fools.


Steve B said (May 28, 2014):

Abraham was called the friend of God. He pre-dated Jews, which is why he is the father of all believers (Romans 4:12) both of and not-of the circumcision.

The "haggling" in Genesis is simply God working with a human being. Abraham was a (successful) trader -- so bartering was normal. Just as God worked with David (a shepherd) on his level.


Steve said (May 28, 2014):

Israelites were horribly treated as slaves for approx 300 years by the Egyptians before their miraculous escape. Any trinkets they received were thrown at them to leave asap because of the plagues God sent them due to Pharaoh's hard heart.

God wiped out all short of just two (Aaron and Joshua) of the entire population of Israel that left Egypt because of their stubbornness and lack of faith after 40 long years wandering the desert. God was giving them plenty of time to come good in faith to Him. Only the new generation on the whole entered the promised land. Even the great Moses because of his prideful anger in striking the rock for water more than once was exiled and not allowed to enter. Further, Abraham was tested by God to the point of sacrificing his own son. God then new He could trust him and deal with him and accordingly blessed him and his generations.

If the author is so jealous of Abraham and his promised generational blessings through faith, he should know that the new covenant under Christ says that if we accept God the Father through His Son Jesus (the Word made flesh) we then automatically come under the same blessings of Abraham. How few non believers understand this great truth. But make no mistake, God tests and corrects His own first. The bible is full of descriptions of Israel being painfully corrected.

I find the author "Duhring" a biblical illiterate


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