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In Defence of Living With Your Parents

November 15, 2014


livingathome.jpgIn 2012, 36% of the nation's young adults ages 18 to 31
were living in their parents' home.


EP, 32, defends the practice:

"I'd feel like an idiot handing over more than
fifty percent of my paycheck every month
just to live in someone else's basement."




by EP
(henrymakow.com)

I'll be the first to admit that I'm too comfortable living at home. I'm an only child, I have a great relationship with my parents and I live in their basement apartment which has its my own entrance, kitchen and workspace not to mention a queen size bed. I show my parents my appreciation for letting me stay with them by buying groceries, cooking and taking them out to dinner every so often.

What makes this arrangement somewhat okay is that I live in an Italian area in the suburbs of New York City where there are many other guys and girls just like me. I'm half Nicaraguan and half Portuguese, so our cultural practice is children stay home until they're married.

This is all well and good, except in America, if you're not out of the house by 25, you're automatically a loser and a mooch. I definitely feel the pressure to move out of the house, but I'd feel like an idiot handing over more than fifty percent of my monthly paycheck just to live in someone else's basement. It would be like paying a 'no-ridicule tax' just so friends and colleagues can't make fun of me. If that's what this is all about, then bring on the jokes.

RENTS TOO HIGH. YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVING

 A couple years ago, I priced a few places. I was willing to pay five hundred a month, but I couldn't find a decent place for that price. Now, years later, the rents in my area are still astronomically high. For a bare bones studio, you're looking at a minimum of 1,000 dollars a month. If you actually want to live in a nice place, you're easily paying 1,500 a month and up.

A year ago, when I used to work as a personal trainer, that would have been my whole paycheck, but these days, as a part-time teacher at a private school, it's a little more than half my paycheck.

Sometimes I wonder what I'm still doing here. I know a lot of married couples from my generation who've left New York because of the taxes and high cost of living years ago. They now reside in red states like Texas, Florida, North Carolina, places like that. I should mention that I live in Westchester County, which is about thirty minutes north of New York City.

If New Yorkers continue to move out, there's going to be no tax-base left. Radio talk show host, Sean Hannity said back in January that he was going to leave New York and that he's talking all of his money with him, "every single solitary penny." Apparently, Hannity's house is on the market.

crosswalk.jpgAnd the really disturbing trend is that as marriage and fertility rates go down across the nation, the median age of New Yorkers has gone up by startling numbers. According to census data from 1990 - 2010, the median age in New York City grew by roughly 2 years, by 5.2 years in the suburbs and 6.6 years upstate. At this rate, New York is going to be one big nursing home in a couple years.

All of this makes me very wary of investing any more time or money here in New York. If all I have to look forward to are higher taxes and an even higher cost of living, then I might as well move now.

As I wait to see if the corruption and liberalism here in New York is going to spread across the country, I might as well stay right where I am - in my parent's basement. As long as New York and America continue to fail miserably at tackling our spending and debt problem, as long as food prices continue to go up, and our moral fabric continues to disintegrate, I'll thank God, and my parents for this safe, comfortable and cheap haven.

"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come" (Revelation 18:10).
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EP's site is www.eternalplanner.com





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Comments for "In Defence of Living With Your Parents "

Thomas said (November 17, 2014):

This man Rob would seem to have his priorities straight. We’re all working for the
banksters. That he has found a way of keeping more of what he earns is to be lauded.

If we think back to earlier, simpler times his story was the trend not the exception.
Extended families lived together. Not merely parents and children but grandparents,
aunts, uncles and anyone on their own. It was smart, it was correct and it was a means
of the whole family remaining “whole” and autonomous. The socialist, world elite would
prefer us separate and spread out across the globe. Much easier to control individuals
than groups of like thinkers.

Look at every modern problem confronted by families. They are all compounded by
separation and the desire for more and more material goods. I’m not big on the Bible
as you know but there are historical insights contained there that are always relevant.

Matthew 16:26 - For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


CF said (November 16, 2014):

The REAL issues now are: How do people best prepare for the coming planned World War and economic collapse (or how to stop it)? How to deal with ever rising/accumulating, ongoing radiological poisoning, impacting the USA? [Hint: It's NOT all coming from Fukushima.] The latter is already making HUGE impacts on our food, water, and health.

Whether people are fully awake or not, logic dictates that, in the current demonic era, 'huddled masses' may fare better than lone individuals. "United We Stand - Divided We..." Yet, we live in a time where logic and common sense are ignored, and truth is hated.


David said (November 16, 2014):

Henry, the only ones stigmatizing kids living at home are banks, government and realtors, who salivate over more suckers getting dragged into financial obligation to the current economic system. If those kids aren't out "on their own" slaving away to pay off 30-year mortgages, piling up new debt and revenue for our criminal institutions, they're of no use to existing order. In fact, they're a threat because they're not spending as much. Horror of horrors!


LoisAnn said (November 16, 2014):

My question is this. Who's business is it if an 'offspring' lives at home with parents or finds a place of their own? People seem to think others' business is their business and have rights to 'judge'. If parents are happy to have their adult 'child' living with them and the offspring is happy with the arrangement why should anybody else care? We have become so 'socialized' it seems taken for granted 'we' have these rights to forming opinions and judging how others live. I see no harm and if it makes this family happy why all the ruckus and 'psychological comments'?

One of my family members had to return 'home' and how fortunate it was for his mother who suffered another heart attack. She can still remain in her own house, not being cared for by people she does not know, nor live in surroundings unfamiliar to her and maintains a large amount of independence and normal living. He is there for her before and after his work shifts, on days she seems fatigued he cooks and does many household chores she always looked after, sees she gets to appointments and in general things seem to all fit into place. She does still drive and takes care of herself pretty good but the comfort of having someone around has been a great booster for her.

So, I say to those who meddle into others lives "Mind your own business and let others mind theirs". This is a job in itself in a world which seems to feel everybody's business should be a social decision.


Kristina said (November 16, 2014):

I wonder if Ron has ever heard of the tiny house movement (see the youtube channel of Kirsten Dirksen). He could build himself a tiny house on wheels, park it on his parents' yard till he saved enough money to buy a peace of land and finally 'move out'. Yes, people used to live with their parents till they got married but they also got married in their twenties. Living in your parents' basement at 32 is no way to attract a spouse.


Jim W said (November 16, 2014):

"Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Genesis 2:24

Apparently, this 32 year old has yet to become a man. He has a hundred reasons why he can't or shouldn't leave his parents' house but it is very evident that he is still a boy. He likes being mothered. He's too afraid venture out on his own. Too afraid to create his own destiny. Too afraid of the big bad world.

My guess is that his mother is the dominate figure in the household. Women make boys. Fathers make men.

If his father were dominate, he would insist that his son move out and make it on his own because two alpha's can't live under the same roof.

Not that I'm the shining example of all that's good, but I left my parents' home when I was 19 years old. Even now, when I go back to visit, I can't be there for more than three days. It's like re-living my childhood all over again. Unbearable.


Harry O said (November 15, 2014):

ealous, much, you detractors? I'd say this guy has his thinking cap on straight. Oh yeah, move out into the world, join the other wage slaves, get up to your nose hairs in debt like them, right now! Forget about all of that leisure time you used to have, time to relax after slaving at some underpaying j-o-b. Forget about all of the nice things you could have... cars, vacations, time to myself to do bugger-all if I so choosed... all of those things disappeared when I LISTENED to my ignorant and underprivileged peers that told me to be a man and become as socially dysfunctional as they.

What are you doing renting, buy a house, spend all of your leisure time and extra cash fixing the damned thing, mowing lawns, etc., then lose it all like many did in '08. Give up your life to be like the Joneses! You'll learn to love watching every dollar you make go into basic subsistence, then you can apply for that MEASLY government handout when you (lol) retire, a FRACTION of what they STOLE from you while you punched their clocks. Be a man in the new world order, forget about those that conceived you and stick them in a home, somewhere, or leave them at the mercy of strangers living in your former room.

My younger brother just turned fifty, my parents having died a short time ago. He lived with them all his life, looked after them so they didn't have to endure the 'tender mercies' of socialized health care and nursing homes, they died in their own home, not propped up in a chair slobbering all down their front by the window, a window mockingly showing them what they once had and can never possess again. Know what? He drives late-model cars, is just as able as I ever was, when I left home in my twenties, in looking after himself, cooking for himself, etc. Could go anywhere he liked, when he liked/s, doesn't live from paycheck to paycheck like big brother, having nothing left for myself after our expenses are met. He never married, has only his self to worry about. Yeah, that's a big effing no-no in our *ucked-up society, where the herd doesn't appreciate dissenters from the established servitude.

I sometimes find myself relying on help from HIM, being the 'established' man of the world that I am. But, I LISTENED to those like the aforementioned, those enlightened ones that parroted the rhetoric of the credit-mongers and those thieves we call financial advisors.

You know, if you want to avail yourselves of the trappings of the world, all the power to you. Go for it.

There's comfort in numbers even when you're DEAD WRONG! But... DON'T measure a man's worth on whether or not he agrees with your estimation of value or whether or not he measures up to your criterion. And, there's nothing wrong with being an odd man out... there's too little of those in our society, these days, only yes-men and other herd-types that DIDN'T have the gonads to resist the status quo.


Robert K said (November 15, 2014):

The administrator of the first food stamp program in the US, Milo Perkins, said circa 1939: "We got a picture of a gorge, with farm surpluses on one cliff and under-nourished city folks with outstretched hands on the other. We set out to find a practical way to build a bridge across that chasm."

Technological advances since then have widened the gorge massively, in many areas of production hundredsfold. Anybody who can't see that productive capacity in the Age of Robotics drastically outstrips the ability of the public to consume, simply because it doesn't have sufficient buying power, is being intentionally blind. People worry about economic recessions, when the fact is that, apart from wartime, our financial system keeps the economy in a permanent state of Depression.

This is a deliberate policy, imposed in order to keep the mass of humanity cash-starved, or at least in a perpetual state of insecurity, so they can be manipulated like marionettes by the people at the top of the financial/corporate hierarchy. Why the electorate persist in letting them get away with such patent abuse is a great mystery.


Tony B said (November 15, 2014):

Too many commenters here seem to have missed the man's statement of his family's culture of living at home until married, which is NOT typically American but perhaps should be. They seem to think that every "American," maybe ever person, has to fit into the great American "wild oats" dysfuntionalism which is not only destroying the world but is also destroying itself.

By what mental gyration does every last person living with his/her parents have to be "a loser?" I'd say this guy has thought it out and is ahead of the game. I ran from an orphanage at age 17, was totally on my own, and OFTEN wished I had a family backup when I was sleeping on the ground or in a wrecked car before becoming established.


JG said (November 15, 2014):

New York City at one time use to be the beacon of American culture in the late 50's and early 60's. It had great theater, music, artists, and people.

When Anglo Christian America was overthrown by the Marxist led "counter culture" revolution of the late 1960's New York was slowly transformed into a beacon of filth and corruption. Time Square was then loaded with porn theaters, prostitutes, and the once nice hotels were turned into neglected SRO living quarters.

This then created the "flight" of New York's once mainstream population out of the city.

Speculative investors then came in and bought a lot of the property at bargain basement prices.
Once they cornered the real estate market the "riff raff" then had to be removed from the city in order to inflate their properties value. This was accomplished under mayors Koch and Gulliani.
New York today is the most expensive major metropolis in America. Time Square is now a replica of "Disneyworld" and all is well if you have a whole lot of money because to live there you better have plenty of it.


MM said (November 15, 2014):

The first line says it all. Too comfortable. I’m sorry but no one will achieve adulthood in his parent’s basement. Yeah, you’ll suffer a bit. But you’ll grow. You’ll overcome. You’ll become a man.


Al Thompson said (November 15, 2014):

The problem with a lot of young people is that they are not adequately prepared for what faces them. They don't seem to plan their careers to get the most out of their labor. Thus, they work and struggle at jobs that don't go anywhere.

Living with the parents does have its advantages in terms of cost; however, that can present another set of problems. To me, the real issue is that the money earned by young people today doesn't go as far as the money that I earned back in the late sixties and early seventies.

I think it is important for a young person to get the most money he can for each hour that he works. The market is what it is at any particular time, but plans should be made to choose careers or jobs that can make the most money in as little time as possible. From a practical standpoint, everything would be better if we were able to get rid of income tax and usury.

http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2013/09/labor-real-inflation.html


Justin in Indy said (November 15, 2014):

This article like many other things in life comes down to want to, desire and motivation. I am from the Bay Area in CA. When I was 22 years old (in 2001)my wife I got married and she soon wanted to have a family. So we didn't stay in California renting a ghetto duplex.

We purchased and built a brand new home in Indianapolis. I am able to support the family on my income alone and my wife is able to stay home and be there for our four children.

I suspect if the author had a woman whom he loved, which I know is hard to find these days, he would be much more motivated to find another living situation. His catch-22 is he makes it much harder on himself to find a life-mate
that will respect him by still living with his parents.

Remember Rob, women are looking for a man who for the most part has his shit together and gives the appearance that he can be a good husband and eventually a good father. Sure you'll find plenty of whores to hook up with in the basement, but will still remain in your state of arrested development.

Rob I suspect you're choosing to stay with your parents out of fear. Fear of failure, fear of judgement, fear of the unknown. You will never become your own man whilst you stay with them.

You do not have a family. You can literally go anywhere and become anyone you choose to be. A world of choices are still at your fingertips. You just have to be man enough to make a few of them and take a risk or two. Or you could always just ask your mom what she thinks. Good luck.


Elle said (November 15, 2014):

Question for Rob:

Why not move upstairs & allow your parents to rent their basement apartment?
All 3 of you can reap the financial reward & work together on tenant-related headaches that will inevitably arise.

Just a thought. Good luck.


BB said (November 15, 2014):

To add to this. The way the the government is wedging itself into every interaction between people. Parents and older children are the last of the intimate relationships that the government is not pulling apart. Except for elder abuse worries, where there is yet, no mandated counseling or required inspection, and no psychologists required testing, from a government agency to see if the son...or daughter, that you are now living with the results of your parenting skills or lack there of( just because you can have a child, doesn't mean that you will be a good mother or father, or that you should) can live with you.

Intimacy is becoming a hard thing to find, and to keep when you do find it. So living at home with your parents can be best for both the parents and the children. Or they could have another parents strange child living in their basement, and your child living in another's. And we are really talking about men here, as in the movie, Failure to launch. The shame of it all.

P.S. the last time that equal Justice was handed out to a man and a women equally for the same crime, was, Bonnie and Clyde.


Henry Makow received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto in 1982. He welcomes your comments at